Jumbos with Mites

For the discussion of any creepy crawlies that may have taken up residence in your tank, including mites. Please note that isopods have their own forum.

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Post by Guest » Fri Jan 07, 2005 1:23 pm

*breathes* Bhaal picked another shell... a larger muffin shell (yet another one of Tammi ;) ) I'm still worried sick about all the mites though... it's only a mather of time until they hit the other tank... I have so much crab stuff infected with mites now.... It's impossible to keep it all away from the other tank...

So what DO mites do? Some of Bhaal's mites are white and some a peach color (probably red with blood.... but I dont know) I wish there was some anti mite spray that works with crabs -.-

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Post by SunnyKrab » Fri Jan 07, 2005 1:30 pm

This is probably a dumhb question,but at any rate-
When you bathe them,are you using fresh or salt water? I think I have heard that salt water is more effective at getting rid of mites.

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Post by Guest » Fri Jan 07, 2005 1:33 pm

I bathe them in fresh, salt, fresh, salt etc. Like 4 to 6 times :roll: and it just doesn't help obviously... These guys are just so big... I think they got too much space in their shell for mites to hide....

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Post by NaRnAR » Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:05 pm

Yartac wrote:So what DO mites do? Some of Bhaal's mites are white and some a peach color (probably red with blood.... but I dont know) I wish there was some anti mite spray that works with crabs -.-
Hermit crab blood is white.."hemolymph" hemo=blood lymph=white. ;) (not trying to be snotty...just FYI)

I would think that youwould want to keep them separate. I would think theywould be easier to treat if separate. For example if Bhaal had less mites that Asmoday...putting them together could re-infect Bhaal...or vice versa. Perhaps section off the tank with a tuperware lid or something so they are at least apart. Its sad but I think it might help in the treatment process.

Was the new shell that Bhaal chose infected? If not I think it might help you to control the mites on him..especially since you rinsed his butt. How are you bathing them? are you putting them in upside down or right side up? I have found that if you put them in upside down it will wash out things like sand...not sure if it will do the same for mites.

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Post by Guest » Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:09 pm

Just an idea. When you are bathing them do you leave them in the water for a while or just dip them until their shell fills and pour out the water? I thought I read somewhere that you should leave them in the water until you see the mites floating then remove them from the water and repeat until you see no more mites. Maybe that's an idea if you're not doing it that way already. I am keeping up with you and your jumbos. I feel so bad, I wish I was there to help. Keep us posted.


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Post by Guest » Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:28 pm

Oh whoops, when I bathe them I TRY to put them on their back... Bhaal's shell floats, and no matter what you try, water wont go into it, even when he comes out all the way!


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Post by Guest » Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:39 pm

Ok, if it were me I would try to find an eye dropper or something and squeeze water into the shell since it won't go in. Maybe that will help fill it enough to chase the mites out. I don't know but it's an idea.


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Post by Guest » Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:46 pm

It's an idea.. I know we have a small seringe that has been used to give Ensure to the ferrets (vet recommended, dunno why) it's clean, I could use that... Now how to convince Bhaal not to pinch me into bloody mess :lol: and try not to irritate his belly too much... he may jump out of his shell again!

Thanks for the idea.


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Post by Guest » Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:49 pm

Another idea. Put him upside down in the water and have the seringe full so when he pops out you can squirt it right in. Use a hand towel or wash rag for him to pinch.I am trying to think of another way. If I come up with any I'll let you know.


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Post by Guest » Fri Jan 07, 2005 3:34 pm

Yartac, I've been giving your situation a lot of thought, a lot of thought and I've come up with another idea for a mite infestation as bad as yours.
When you bathe the crabs, I assume you bathe them the "standard" way, in a bowl of standing water, right? Well, I was thinking--a known problem with getting rid of mites that way is that they can jump back on as easily as they were washed off. Why don't you try bathing them under a stream of water (dechlor, of course). Thus, I suggest that you try this (I've never tried it myself, but it seems safe and might be an experiment worth doing): place either crab in a kitchen strainer/drainer/colander thing, and then slowly and gently pour water over them, alternating fresh dechlor and salt like you've been doing). This will work even better if you can coax said crabbie out of his shell a bit. That way, any mites will be washed down the drain with the water instead of just sitting in the water ready to jump back on--seems to me this might work.
Also, with your problem of the mites back in the shell, I think the syringe is a great idea. When you use it, though, try to have Bhaal angled so as the water shoots back into his shell, when it runs out it brings the crabs with it--once again, avoiding just driving them further back.
Best of luck!
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Post by Guest » Fri Jan 07, 2005 4:33 pm

I'm wondering if a drop of vaseline on Asmoday's hole would plug it up and keep the mites from going in and out. Might be toxic though.

Hey, I have an idea for a mite treatment that would be ok for hermit crabs. A contraceptive! Hermies don't reproduce in captivity anyway, so it wouldn't matter. But mites' life span is so short it should cure the hermies after a while. I'm gonna research arthropod agents that prevent reproduction and see if I find anything for the future, if not for this case.


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Post by Guest » Sat Jan 08, 2005 1:44 am

Yartac, I'm really sorry that you have these pesky mites. It makes me a little nervous because I've seen mites a few times in my clan, but as of yet have not had an outbreak. I had 2 crabs in the same iso end up crawling with white mites, but since I'd bathed them and put them in with the others I haven't seen any turn up. I have never been one for regular bathing, but I'm starting to consider doing it if if might help me from having a serious mite problem.

There are a lot of Insect Growth Regulators (IGRs) out there from pest control. The one I know a little about is Lufenuron (Program flea control), its a oral or injectable IGR given to dogs and cats. It gets into the flea's system when they ingest blood from a treated animal. It makes it so the fleas offspring will not be able to form chitin. Without it the flea is unable to hatch from its egg. It is also occasionally used in animals with ringworm, because theoretically if the fungi can not produce chitin then it would stop its spread as well.

I don't know if any IGRs would work for crabs safely, but its kinda neat to think about.

I WOULD NEVER RECOMMEND USING ANYTHING LIKE THIS ON A CRAB!!!
Its just not safe.
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Post by Guest » Sat Jan 08, 2005 4:35 am

A small turkey baster would be a beter idea.


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Post by Guest » Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:26 pm

fluffythecrab wrote:Yartac, I'm really sorry that you have these pesky mites. It makes me a little nervous because I've seen mites a few times in my clan, but as of yet have not had an outbreak. I had 2 crabs in the same iso end up crawling with white mites, but since I'd bathed them and put them in with the others I haven't seen any turn up. I have never been one for regular bathing, but I'm starting to consider doing it if if might help me from having a serious mite problem.

There are a lot of Insect Growth Regulators (IGEs) out there from pest control. The one I know a little about is Lufenuron (Program flea control), its a oral or injectable IGR given to dogs and cats. It gets into the flea's system when they ingest blood from a treated animal. It makes it so the fleas offspring will not be able to form chitin. Without it the flea is unable to hatch from its egg. It is also occasionally used in animals with ringworm, because theoretically if the fungi can not produce chitin then it would stop its spread as well.

I don't know if any IGRs would work for crabs safely, but its kinda neat to think about.

I WOULD NEVER RECOMMEND USING ANYTHING LIKE THIS ON A CRAB!!!
Its just not safe.
Chitin is part of a crab exo... so it sounds pretty dangerous for them o.o Imagine a crab not being able to form chitin after a molt! >.<

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Post by Zealous Euphemism » Sat Jan 08, 2005 4:05 pm

If the mites laid eggs, they can stick to the aquarium sealent in the corners (which are horrid to clean). When we had a turtle there were small bugs in his tank all the time, though we'd clean it a lot. We eventually had to get an entirely new tank...
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