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Rarely see my hermies :( emergency form

Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 1:57 pm
by BethGracie
1. What kind of substrate is used in your tank and how deep is it?
1/5 is mulch like they had at the pet store. the rest is sand about 5" deep.

2. Do you have gauges in the tank to measure temperature and humidity? If so, where are they located and what temperature and humidity do they usually read?
yes. top right corner. currently reads 70% humidity and 80 degrees F.

3. Is a heat source used in the tank? If so, what?
"all living things" heating mat. lower right corner - NOT under tank.

4. What types of water are available (fresh or salt) and how is the water treated (what brands of dechlorinator or salt mix and what ratio is used to mix it)?
Both. "all living things" freshwater conditioner - 4 drops per 8oz. "all living things" saltwater conditioner - 1tsp/8 fl oz. 2 small water dishes. one with salt and one with fresh. sand is moistened with saltwater. also i use a mister with saltwater daily. i ALSO have a box of "instant ocean" - that i am waiting to use when the "all living things" conditioner is gone.

5. What kinds of food do you feed and how often is it replaced?
variety - eggshells, raisins, oats, carrots, fresh food etc. calcium supplement. changed daily.

6. How long have you had the crab and what species is it, if known?
6 weeks. unsure of the species.

7. Has your crab molted, and how long ago did it happen?
not sure. the more active crab comes out around every other evening but only for a short while. the less active one i' have only seen a few times in 6 weeks.

8. What type of housing are the crabs kept in, what size is it and what kind of lid is on the housing?
20 gal aquarium. screen top that i cover mostly with saran wrap to keep humidity inside.

9. How many crabs are in the tank and about how large are they?
2 - larger than a quarter, smaller than a ping pong ball.

10. How many extra shells are usually kept in the tank, if any?
3

11. Have there been any fumes or chemicals near the crabitat recently?
No

12. How often do you clean the tank and how?
I have only had them 6 weeks. its very clean. surface cleaning of sand.

13. Are sponges used in the water dish? If so, how are they cleaned?
yes. sea sponge. hot water.

14. Has anything new been added to your crabitat recently?
No

15. Is there any other information you would like to share that might be helpful (anything that is regularly part of your crab care, playtime, bathing, etc.)?

16. Please describe the emergency situation in detail.
I rarely see the crabs. they stay under the mulch which is only a small portion of the crabitat. the more active one comes out every couple of nights but never explores - usually eats and goes back under the mulch. the less active crab rarely comes out. i've only seen him a few times in 6 weeks.

should i mix the mulch portion of the substrate in with the sand to "push" them out into the crabitat? i got the crabs for my kids and they literally never see them. they don't climb around, walk around the crabitat, nothing. i even have little driftwood pieces for climbing, aquarium tunnels to walk through or hide. they literally never come out of the mulch. and they don't eat much either. i'm worried the less active one rarely eats at all.

help! ideas? mixing the substrate? more water in the sand?

Re: Rarely see my hermies :( emergency form

Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 2:37 pm
by wodesorel
With them being new, that they haven't buried underground to molting is worrisome. Usually new crabs want to do that right away, not always but usually. For crabs of your size that would be a month or two with no sightings. This allows them to heal from any injuries they sustained during the collection and transport process, and it's how they'll continue to grow bigger.

What kind of sand are you using? It needs to be children's playsand or all purpose sand from the hardware store, moistened just enough to where it holds it's shape when you squeeze it. If it's all sand, it's easy to get it too wet because the water sinks to the bottom while the top stays perfect, so if you know where they both are I'd recommend digging out a corner to the bottom to make sure it's not too wet in the lower layers which could be preventing them from doing their molting thing.

Please consider swapping out to the Instant Ocean now. The two products aren't even close to being the same and the IO will give them a boost. It contains the 70 trace elements that make up sea water, while the conditioner will only have a couple. Treat the water with the freshwater conditioner to remove the chlorine and ammonia to make it safe.

Are they getting any meats or seafood? They need a lot of protein in their diets.

A few extra shells wouldn't hurt, as the more you offer the more interest they usually have. You can find bags for sale at craft stores and I think still some Walmarts that will have shells in the range of what you need if you don't want to order online. We have a great photo id guide for shells so you can see what they like more than others.

The safety of sponges in the water dish are still debated, but it's for sure not needed. They can grow bacteria over time and there's no good way to clean them. (There was a study on kitchen sponges that made the papers last week that showed boiling or microwaving them didn't make them any cleaner.)

Like I had said in your other topic I think it all sounds like normal crab behaviour. They hide, they eat, they grow, they hide some more. They're not everyone's ideal pet. I hope you'll give them some more time though, they could still be destressing and in need of molting, and afterward they should become more gregarious. They're wild animals that were living for a decade in the wild before someone scooped them up and mailed them off to a store to be sold. That's a huge adjustment to make. Not all survive it either, the ones that struggle or end up dying are said to have Post Purchase Syndrome, which some crabs survive and some don't.

Re: Rarely see my hermies :( emergency form

Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 2:38 pm
by GotButterflies
Hello! I did GB for Gotbutterflies :butterfly::
BethGracie wrote:1. What kind of substrate is used in your tank and how deep is it?
1/5 is mulch like they had at the pet store. the rest is sand about 5" deep.

GB: I personally don't use mulch. I think it is too risky. I prefer ee and beach sand, mixed with all purpose sand by Quickrete. Mulch could puncture abdomen. Substrate should be 6 inches or 3 times the height of your largest crab (whichever is deeper). It should also be mixed with dechlorinated marine saltwater or dechlorinated freshwater to make the substrate sandcastle consistency.

2. Do you have gauges in the tank to measure temperature and humidity? If so, where are they located and what temperature and humidity do they usually read?
yes. top right corner. currently reads 70% humidity and 80 degrees F.

GB: Do you have a digital or analog guage? You can buy an Acurite guage from Walmart if you are interested ;) They are $8, digital, run on batteries, and tell you temp and humidity currently as well as low and high for last 24 hours. You can find them in the home improvement section by the air filters. :) Minimum heat and humidity should be 80/80. Hermit crabs have modified gills and need the humidity to breathe. I recommend that you get your humidity up asap. You can add moss pits, bubblers to your pools, or glass tops help tremendously.

3. Is a heat source used in the tank? If so, what?
"all living things" heating mat. lower right corner - NOT under tank.

GB: Since the heat is good, not much to worry about here...but in the winter months you might. UTHs should be above the substrate to heat the air.

4. What types of water are available (fresh or salt) and how is the water treated (what brands of dechlorinator or salt mix and what ratio is used to mix it)?
Both. "all living things" freshwater conditioner - 4 drops per 8oz. "all living things" saltwater conditioner - 1tsp/8 fl oz. 2 small water dishes. one with salt and one with fresh. sand is moistened with saltwater. also i use a mister with saltwater daily. i ALSO have a box of "instant ocean" - that i am waiting to use when the "all living things" conditioner is gone.

GB: If you have a salt dechlorinator combo I'm going to take a guess and think that it is for hermit crabs. Unfortunately most products marketed for hermit crabs are not safe. You need a dechlorinator that removes chlorine, and chloramine as well as neutralizes ammonia and heavy metals. A lot of us use a product called Prime. As far as salt, you need marine salt, to mimic the ocean. Use the instant ocean that you have and toss the all living things products. Instant Ocean has the essential trace elements that hermit crabs need. :) You have to use the dechlorinator for both freshwater and marine saltwater. Both pools should be deep enough for them to fully submerge in and safe enough for them to get out of.

5. What kinds of food do you feed and how often is it replaced?
variety - eggshells, raisins, oats, carrots, fresh food etc. calcium supplement. changed daily.

GB: Make sure you cover all aspects of food pyramid :) Foods should be organic when possible. Hermit crabs are sensitive to pesticides and fertilizers. IMO, you need to provide more protein.
Safe food list: http://hermitcrabassociation.com/phpBB/ ... 25&t=92557
Unsafe food list: http://hermitcrabassociation.com/phpBB/ ... 25&t=92556
Food pyramid: http://hermitcrabassociation.com/phpBB/ ... 25&t=92554

6. How long have you had the crab and what species is it, if known?
6 weeks. unsure of the species.

7. Has your crab molted, and how long ago did it happen?
not sure. the more active crab comes out around every other evening but only for a short while. the less active one i' have only seen a few times in 6 weeks.

8. What type of housing are the crabs kept in, what size is it and what kind of lid is on the housing?
20 gal aquarium. screen top that i cover mostly with saran wrap to keep humidity inside.

GB: You can also use press n seal for the mesh top or ziplock bags secured with duct tape or packaging tape.

9. How many crabs are in the tank and about how large are they?
2 - larger than a quarter, smaller than a ping pong ball.

10. How many extra shells are usually kept in the tank, if any?
3

GB: The HCA recommends 3-5 shells per hermit crab. I personally recommend more. It never hurts to have more :) There are incorrect shells to buy. Here is the shell guide: http://hermitcrabassociation.com/phpBB/ ... 24&t=92552

11. Have there been any fumes or chemicals near the crabitat recently?
No

12. How often do you clean the tank and how?
I have only had them 6 weeks. its very clean. surface cleaning of sand.

13. Are sponges used in the water dish? If so, how are they cleaned?
yes. sea sponge. hot water.

GB: Sponges are not necessary. Old practice. I'd toss it.

14. Has anything new been added to your crabitat recently?
No

15. Is there any other information you would like to share that might be helpful (anything that is regularly part of your crab care, playtime, bathing, etc.)?

16. Please describe the emergency situation in detail.
I rarely see the crabs. they stay under the mulch which is only a small portion of the crabitat. the more active one comes out every couple of nights but never explores - usually eats and goes back under the mulch. the less active crab rarely comes out. i've only seen him a few times in 6 weeks.

should i mix the mulch portion of the substrate in with the sand to "push" them out into the crabitat? i got the crabs for my kids and they literally never see them. they don't climb around, walk around the crabitat, nothing. i even have little driftwood pieces for climbing, aquarium tunnels to walk through or hide. they literally never come out of the mulch. and they don't eat much either. i'm worried the less active one rarely eats at all.

help! ideas? mixing the substrate? more water in the sand?

GB: You never want to dig for crabs. They could be molting or destressing. Hermit crabs are nocturnal creatures, and I can tell you a great majority of mine stay down until dusk. During the summer I have a lot of diurnal crabs, but for the most part all activity occurs at night. When you first purchase crabs, they come from the wild. They are housed by the thousands in a cramped cage, most are forced into painted shells, and then they are shipped to the US and then to pet stores. These little guys have been through a lot - and it deplorable conditions. Try to be patient - give them time to acclimate to their environment, and it will be a worthwhile experience :)