Strange unknown hermit crab

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Re: Strange unknown hermit crab

Post by soilentgringa » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:02 pm

123AE wrote:Also, is there a thread on the coco crab incident , that kid must've had an absolutely massive tank


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That did not happen here on the forum.

Out of thousands of zoea, less than a dozen make it to land during the breeding attempts.

Captive breeding hermit crabs just to appease consumers will never be financially or logistically feasible.

There are too many variables.


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Re: Strange unknown hermit crab

Post by 123AE » Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:11 am

soilentgringa wrote:
123AE wrote:Also, is there a thread on the coco crab incident , that kid must've had an absolutely massive tank


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That did not happen here on the forum.

Out of thousands of zoea, less than a dozen make it to land during the breeding attempts.

Captive breeding hermit crabs just to appease consumers will never be financially or logistically feasible.

There are too many variables.


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But eventually we would probably find a way to make it easier. For example originally, frogs were incredibly hard to breed however the idea of a rain chamber makes it a lot easier


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Re: Strange unknown hermit crab

Post by erin.leaman » Thu May 25, 2017 4:10 pm

GotButterflies wrote:
123AE wrote:Thanks I was struggling between an e a ruggie and a small chance of a blueberry


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Blueberries are protected. They are endangered. Anyone that has one of those is fortunate. I don't think they will be in the pet trade again. Still could be a ruggie, you never know :)
If they are endangered, do you think the HCA is capable of raising a breeding project? Even though barely any crabs make it far along their youth, we could at least try to boost the numbers, right?
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Re: Strange unknown hermit crab

Post by 123AE » Thu May 25, 2017 4:15 pm

erin.leaman wrote:
GotButterflies wrote:
123AE wrote:Thanks I was struggling between an e a ruggie and a small chance of a blueberry


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Blueberries are protected. They are endangered. Anyone that has one of those is fortunate. I don't think they will be in the pet trade again. Still could be a ruggie, you never know :)
If they are endangered, do you think the HCA is capable of raising a breeding project?

It would be incredibly hard to get the individuals


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Re: Strange unknown hermit crab

Post by Hermias_mom » Thu May 25, 2017 4:17 pm

erin.leaman wrote:
GotButterflies wrote:
123AE wrote:Thanks I was struggling between an e a ruggie and a small chance of a blueberry


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Blueberries are protected. They are endangered. Anyone that has one of those is fortunate. I don't think they will be in the pet trade again. Still could be a ruggie, you never know :)
If they are endangered, do you think the HCA is capable of raising a breeding project?
Not sure quite what you mean. You've seen the breeding threads, right? http://hermitcrabassociation.com/phpBB/ ... m.php?f=67

There's at least seven people worldwide who have successfully raised hermit crabs from zoea through their first molt on land. I'm sure many more than that have tried, but we know of about seven who have been successful. Most of them are members of HCA, from what I recall. I love seeing pictures of the baby hermies!
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Re: Strange unknown hermit crab

Post by Hermias_mom » Thu May 25, 2017 4:26 pm

erin.leaman wrote:
GotButterflies wrote:
123AE wrote:Thanks I was struggling between an e a ruggie and a small chance of a blueberry


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Blueberries are protected. They are endangered. Anyone that has one of those is fortunate. I don't think they will be in the pet trade again. Still could be a ruggie, you never know :)
If they are endangered, do you think the HCA is capable of raising a breeding project? Even though barely any crabs make it far along their youth, we could at least try to boost the numbers, right?
Okay, are you talking about raising hermits in captivity and releasing them in the wild? That's not a good idea due to risk of spreading diseases, fungus, parasites, etc to wild populations. When they're caught, they get exposed to a lot of stuff from a wide mix of populations on their way to our crabitats (that plus intense stress = PPS in my opinion), and who knows what they've picked up. If we release them into the wild, we risk exposing wild populations to diseases, fungus, parasites, etc, that they haven't seen before, and it could decimate them. So unfortunately, once a hermie is living in captivity, it needs to stay in captivity for the good of the remaining wild crabs. We don't know what captive crabs are passing down to their offspring, so their offspring should stay in captivity too, in order to protect the wild populations. At least until we understand hermit crab biology and pathology better. There's not much financial incentive to research hermit crab biology and pathology directly, so this could take a while.

EDIT: I'm only talking about breeding animals captured through the pet trade above. Breed and release as a general concept to increase crab populations I think is a great idea as long as healthy crabs native to a particular area are chosen, their offspring are released into the area they're endemic to, and steps are taken to preserve the health of the remaining wild populations.
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Re: Strange unknown hermit crab

Post by wodesorel » Thu May 25, 2017 4:59 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if scientists in Japan are researching ways to captive breed Blueberries to protect the species. I don't know of any hardcore crabbers that are bilingual who can read up on the latest crustacean journals from Japan. I am pretty sure they are still sold in the country as pets though. I thought they weren't permitted to import other species.

I have never liked the nihilistic responses of "oh, it's impossible" whenever someone brings up breeding them. To me, that is discouraging honest attempts at breeding, which is the only way we find out what might make it possible to do on a larger scale some day. Yes, right now it's in it's infancy, only a handful of people have managed it (not including scientist who have done it using wild caught gravid females), but a lot of species have started out in a similar fashion until someone stumbled over whatever the trick was.

Also, when done properly and under strict standards, breed and release is a valid method of boosting populations. However, it wouldn't be through randomly collected individuals that have entered the pet trade.

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