New, and could use a bit of advice.

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New, and could use a bit of advice.

Post by cswan81 » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:37 pm

Hello! New to this forum, only somewhat new to crabs. By somewhat I mean we've had our very first crabs for 2.5 years. We have Gabby, named for the atrocious Yo Gabba Gabba shell she came to us in, and Flame, again because he came in a flame painted shell. We're real creative when it comes to names I'm sure you can see. I've since offered them a variety of shells, in all shapes and sizes which they staunchly refuse. Flame tried one out but promptly went back to the same old shell. Sigh.

I'm here for, honestly a sad reason. We think Gabby might be dead. :( My daughter came screaming from her room, crab in hand, shrieking, "She's dead! She's dead!" I looked at the crab, with a sinking feeling, and am worried she's right. But not convinced. I don't want to be one of those people that buries them alive. Here's the situation. She's not tucked into her shell, as they usually are. She isn't hanging out, but is partially out, can see legs. She was on the surface, under a climbing log, in a very shallow pool of spilled water, that she must have spilled herself. Not moving, not responding to pokes. My first fear was that she may be molting, and when my daughter freaked out and pulled her out and poked her, that we may have signed her death warrant anyway. :( But in my daughter's behalf, she LOOKS dead. Here's the tricky part. She smells a little fishy, bit not overwhelmingly so, where it's obvious. She has not fallen out of the shell, and my husband gently tugged and she isn't coming out. But she's responding to nothing, and lost a leg. I placed a two liter top over her and decided to track her position. It does not appear after 36 hours that she's moved at all. Flame is fine and safely tucked in his hermie hut, where he's largely ignoring the drama. I'm at an absolute loss. I don't know what's going on. I know we should err on the side of caution and leave her for a bit but their tank desperately needs to be cleaned and needs more substrate as it's broken down to a thin layer now. Plus, if she IS dead, it seems macabre to leave her in there. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!! Thank you!!


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Re: New, and could use a bit of advice.

Post by mom23 » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:51 pm

How deep is the substrate?
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Re: New, and could use a bit of advice.

Post by cswan81 » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:55 pm

Here's a pic, so youcan see her position. I've moved her onto the small rock area we have set up to keep the food area cleaner, just so I could better track any movement

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Re: New, and could use a bit of advice.

Post by cswan81 » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:57 pm

Typically I keep a varying level of substrate, the deepest being 3" -4" but right now it's down to about 1-2" until I can clean the tank. Which I've been waiting on while we determine what's upwith her.


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Re: New, and could use a bit of advice.

Post by mom23 » Mon Dec 08, 2014 12:01 am

The substrate should be playsand or eco earth (or most of us use a mix of the two) moistened to a sandcastle consistency at the minimum of 6 inches in depth for proper molting. The reason I asked is because you mentioned the substrate to be a thin layer. Not having proper substrate could be the reason the crab has passed away. It may have tried to surface molt and didn't pull through. Disregard this if I'm off base and there is proper substrate. Also is the heat/humidity at 80/80? Do they have access to salt water? I'm just troubleshooting here because it does sound like she's passed away.
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Re: New, and could use a bit of advice.

Post by cswan81 » Mon Dec 08, 2014 12:05 am

They are small crabs, and always heard 4" was adequate but will start adding more. We use EcoEarth. We had sand for a while as well, but it was constantly messy so haven't in a while. They have salt water, but are almost constantly out by the end of the day and I have to refill.


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Re: New, and could use a bit of advice.

Post by mom23 » Mon Dec 08, 2014 12:09 am

For molting purposes substrate should be at the minimum 6 inches and more like 10 for larger crabs. If it's not sandcastle consistence they cannot make a molting cave. Have they molted before? Heat and humidity ok? Can they submerge in the salt water? At least enough that they can fill their shells?
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Re: New, and could use a bit of advice.

Post by cswan81 » Mon Dec 08, 2014 12:12 am

Salt water is about 1-1.5" deep. Didn't want anyone drowning. I'll make the substrate deeper. Flame has molted before for sure. Haven't seen proof that Gabby ever has, but she's buried herself for a few weeks and could have molted. Not in a while though.


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Re: New, and could use a bit of advice.

Post by cswan81 » Mon Dec 08, 2014 12:15 am

As for heat and humidity, or heater went out about a week ago, andtheir temp wasdown to 63 but I replaced the heater and we're at 75. It's damp in there, so I think humidity is fine. Our gauge is broken but a new one is on order. It was fine a week ago, before the gauge quit working. The heater and the gauge went out within days of either, but they came withthe original tank do I guess it's about time for that to happen. They've been in cooler temps before, and were fine, as their previous owners never used the heater.
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Re: New, and could use a bit of advice.

Post by mom23 » Mon Dec 08, 2014 12:17 am

They won't drown. Mine swim in large pools every day. :)

I hate to say it but I think she's passed away. It won't hurt to leave her be though to make sure. Worst case scenario will be the smell.

Check this out...it will go over everything and maybe help determine what happened. Sorry :(

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Re: New, and could use a bit of advice.

Post by cswan81 » Mon Dec 08, 2014 12:21 am

That's terrible. :( I'm quite sad, they were awesome pets and I've enjoyed my years with them. So you think at the very least I'm good to take her out, clean the tank, make deeper substrate, and then put her back for another day to be sure? She was perfectly fine a week ago, and came out to visit with us. :(


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Re: New, and could use a bit of advice.

Post by cswan81 » Mon Dec 08, 2014 12:27 am

And thank you very much for taking the time to answer my questions.

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Re: New, and could use a bit of advice.

Post by aussieJJDude » Mon Dec 08, 2014 1:45 am

Like mom23 said, i would leave the crab in the tank until you smell anything that smells like fish, once the crab smells like fish she has passed.
I still believe that the crab is doing a surface moult, it make be a good idea to keep the crab in the dark, so it may be worth covering the crab with a hidey place or a clam shell.
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Re: New, and could use a bit of advice.

Post by cswan81 » Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:43 am

Thank you! I do intend to give her a few more days, or until it becomes obvious one way or another. Would it be safe to remove her to.clean the tank and then put her back, orshould I wait? I guess my only concern is that, if she IS dead, and it has something to do with tank conditions, I'm concerned for my other crab. I just want to do what's best for both .


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Re: New, and could use a bit of advice.

Post by cswan81 » Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:46 am

Oh and if she IS molting, would the handling she received when she was presumed dead kill her? Also, is out common for them to not move AT ALL during a molt? Sorry, I've never seen a surface molt, so I'm a little new at this part.

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